Deliverance: Up "Hick Creek" without a paddle
A "blog in" is something I've put together by combining an old fad with modern technology. It is essentially a virtual version of the spontaneous events or "happenings" that used to take place in coffee houses all over Europe and the United States in the late fifties and early 60s, when scholarly, artsy types would sit around, discuss the issues of the day from multidisciplinary perspectives, create art and play music. So grab some coffee, a guitar, a tambourine, and, most importantly, your thinking caps, and join in the conversation. Today, we're taking about a movie, and drawing comparisons between the movie and a couple of original Dr BLTunes.
The movie, Deliverance is certainly not new. What is new is something we are about to accomplish with respect to that classic movie; the viewing of the movie through multiple "lenses" that capture the psychological significance of the story. That's where you, the blog visitor/"blog in" participant come in.
This is not a movie review, but a blog thread where those who have seen the movie may meaningfully react to its content. Multiple themes worth investigating through scientific writing in the behavioral and social sciences are found in the movie, Deliverance. These include raw nature vs. industrialized civilization; good vs. evil; risk-taking, danger-seeking behavior and its often unexpected, often perilous wake (pun intended); cerebral reflection vs. the raw, often unbridled forces of nature; the law as an ideal vs. what individuals feel compelled to do when faced with legal and ethical dilemmas (forensic psychology); leadership behavior vs. follower behavior; aggressive vs. passive behavior... the list of potential topics for researchers, scholars and students of psychology go on and on.
Add to that list the phenomenological experience of victimization. In the comments section below, compare the victimization experience of the two men that were assaulted in Deliverance with the victimization of first the woman in the original Dr BLTune,
words and music by Dr BLT © 2009, from the CD, The Truth Hurts
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Then address the following questions: What personality traits, if any, increase the likelihood that a particular individual will become a victim or the target of an aggressor? What sort of personality traits, if any, increase the likelihood that a particular individual will perpetrate an act or act(s) of aggression upon a victim? Can the phenomenon of victimization truly be studies by a scientific assessment of individual personality traits, or is there a distinct, interactive dynamic involved? Are there any differences between the way women, and the way men experience and typically process the experience of having been victimized? Are there any differences between men and women in terms of the way they act out as aggressors or perpetrators of violent, aggressive acts?
What would a scientific description of each of the experiences of the victims in the movie and in the songs accomplish that the movie and the songs cannot capture? What are the benefits of a dramatic portray and or a musical depiction of these various victimization experiences over a carefully-crafted scientific treatment based on operational definitions that are directly observable and capable of being measured?
If you were to formulate an hypothesis based on any of the potential topics or motifs introduced here, what would that hypothesis be? How would you go about testing out your hypothesis?
Finally, out of all of the victims introduced in, first, the movie, and then, the two songs posted here, which is the only character to truly find deliverance?
Movie and the song "Mrs Jones" went along some similar lines. "Deliverance" clearly presents victimization upon seeing the two urban males being either raped, bullied, or cut by the rural males. On the other hand, Mrs. Jones appears to be victimized through the lines "sticks and stones" and "fist of rage." Both show that males tend to be the aggressors.
One point, males are stressed to be the more dominant ones in society. On the other hand, females are more passive, especially when faced with a male or husband figure. I feel this is why more males are the aggressor. One reason for males aggression can be the pressure placed on males not to show emotion and to be tough. For example, some father's place more pressure on his son to be tough and when a son cries the father tends to want the son to quit crying. So, some express dominance over a women to show that he is dominant in life.
Personality traits and possible hypothesis is if one has narcissism, then one will tend to be more aggressive and eventually will be the one abusing. According to Webster's New World College Dictionary,narcissism is "self-love; interest, often excessive interest, in one's own appearance, comfort, importance, abilities, etc." I feel since the person thinks so highly of himself, then they will degrade others in the process. In another scenario, if someone, who has narcissism, wants their appearances to be gratified by another and is not, then the person could become violent. Some cases could follow these lines, so a study also should include some studies of the female partner.
Going away from narcissism and male dominance in society, music and movies cannot completely capture victimization. Movies and music are limited to movie scripts and music sheets. Because of the restriction, I feel these artistic mediums cannot portray a victimization completely. In addition, time is limited when it comes to movies and music. Victimization, on the other hand, occurs in a long duration of time. With that said, art tends to point out segments that is open interpretation while a real life event includes many points, which some are grotesque to tell and some are hidden in the victim's unconscious mind, in order to, protect the victim.
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There are many comparisons to the movie Deliverance (when the two men were assaulted) and the first song and Mrs. Jones. In the song Mrs. Jones she is referred to as being a victim of something horrible that happened to her in her life. Perhaps she was raped, abused, or even emotionally abused. Mrs. Jones “gets stoned” to try to heal herself from her past. The men that were assaulted in the movie most likely will never mention their attack to anyone. They will keep this memory forever, and this will haunt them. Somewhat like Mrs. Jones she has no release no way to overcome her feelings. It was song went onto to say “will she face the future or is it a destiny for an early grave.” This made sense to me because at the end of the movie the main character was having a nightmare. This proved to me his frightened feelings and the long journey he has in front of him to overcome everything he’s been through. He is alone in this journey men rarely speak of their feelings, downfalls, and emotional breakdowns, any of those types of things. More so when a male is a rape victim USUALLY males get very defensive about that and will not speak up. The last comparison between the song and the movie is “a picture paints words of pain” Mrs. Jones does not speak of her emotional barriers yet she is alone in a relationship but alone. Somewhat like the characters in the movie yes there were a few other survivors yet they remain alone to suffer the thoughts of being manipulated, raped, abused, & overpowered.
What personality traits increase the individual to become a victim or the target of an aggressor? This is a subjective response because it really depends on the person and just because he/she may be timid, sheltered, introvert, non-responsive doesn’t necessarily make him/her a target. However it most likely does on the other hand; authoritative, opinionated, extroverted, liars, deceiving, manipulative, rude, rebellious, uncaring, disrespectful and mean people will most likely not be the target.
Do men and women have different thought process when victimized? I am sure the answer is yes. Men are different than women and have a completely different thought process at the same time many will have the same feelings of inferiority, anger, stress, anxiousness, fright etc.
Are there differences between men and women in terms of the way they act out as aggressors? No. Have you ever seen an episode of Snapped or American’s Most Wanted? Women are exactly as evil, callous, vindictive, and aggressive as men are. Men are stronger than women naturally which I believe is the only difference.
The only character I found to be free was the leader. He was seen as a “leader” in the beginning of the movie however in the end he came through and pulled himself and his friends out of that mess.
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“Deliverance” is a film that I have seen many times and have always thought of as a great film but never thought about in a psychological sense. Though I was skeptical at first about the significance of watching such a film in relation to theories of personality, it only took a couple of lines in Burt’s dialogue to realize within this film lies a plethora of case studies in personality and mood disorders as well as many positive aspects pertaining to human nature and human versus nature.
Each character’s personality in the film played pivotal roles in the sequence of events that culminated in the ultimate outcome. Other than the rapist hillbillies, the main instigator of all their problems seemed to be the Burt Reynolds character and his apparent narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). A behavior of NPD is delusions of grandeur which would explain Burt’s insistence on putting himself and his friends in danger, even after being explicitly warned by the river savvy townsfolk. Yes, tough guy Burt saves Ned Beatty’s and John Voight’s asses from the lust filled Malungeons (well maybe not Ned’s) with a compound bow and razor tipped arrows, but when Burt’s insistence on testing the destructive power of the almighty river proves not only futile but downright “ignernt”, his broken leg and childlike whining reveals the weakness and vulnerability behind the characters overly exaggerated masculinity.
The other three characters were not innocent in the mayhem and tragedy that befell them, for they were the codependent followers that did not have the assertiveness to truly challenge narcissistic Burt. The three timid city slickers followed Burt into the unknown with barely a protest.
Concerning the unfortunate yet highly entertaining sexual assaults on Ned Beatty and John Voight it is obvious that each character suffered the typical post traumatic stress (PTSD) but seemed to display different behaviors in the aftermath of the assaults. Voight’s character seemed more outwardly distraught by the incident (also killing a man and losing a friend) with his night terrors and general nervous appearance (sweaty, darting eyes, fidgety). Ironically though the Beatty character seems unaffected and for the most part not traumatized, which leads me to believe his protest during the assault may have been an act, or he is displaying various Freudian defense mechanisms such as, and including, repression, denial, rationalization, and possible reaction formation and displacement (food).
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Further, to better answer the good Dr.’s questions concerning personality traits that may make one a victim or perpetrator, and the contrast, if any, between men and women who have been victimized and how they process the experience I would have to point out some personality disorders that may be involved. In the case of the victim it seems that those who have been victimized in the past (i.e. as children) seem to unconsciously gravitate towards individuals who possess the same personality traits as their abusers. I would assume (know personally) that victims of any abuse suffer from low self esteem and codependency issues. As far as the victimizer is concerned, there are many mental disorders that could be involved. First and foremost I believe the victimizers and those who perpetrate abuses must have a sociopathic personality where they cannot or do not feel empathy for their victims, nor do they feel remorse for their deeds. Although I believe sociopathic personality is involved in most cases of victimization I would not say it is always the case. Perhaps the victimizer does feel remorse but cannot control his or her negative behaviors because of a sexual disorder they may have.
As far as the contrast between men and women who have been sexually assaulted is concerned, it is my opinion that women, who are usually more emotionally invested in their sexuality, would be somewhat more traumatized by the experience than men, although I am sure this is not true in all cases. At least outwardly I believe a man would hide his feelings about the incident because of the combination of pride, shame, and the anxiety of maintaining ones masculinity. This, to me, is a very unhealthy approach to dealing with the pain and shame. Through talk therapy one can gain the tools needed to cope with what has happened to them and to perhaps even find some closure, even if it is merely in the form of acceptance. Unlike the characters in the film “Deliverance”, who never seemed to find their way out of the mental anguish caused by the trauma and guilt, there is always hope if one can open up and set their emotional demons free.
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In regards to my comments concerning Beatty’s and Voight’s sexual assaults being entertaining I would like to state that I am in no way insensitive to sexual abuse or assault of any kind, with the exception of brilliantly executed Hollywood performances (“What’s Next Doc”, “A Clockwork Orange”, or “Caligula”, j/k). The two women’s situations described in Dr. BLT’s songs are tragically common and probably always have been. Mrs. Jones sounds like she has been numbed by the constant physical and mental abuses of the sociopathically sadistic Mr. Jones, and a subsequent downward spiral into drug abuse and chronic depression. In the song the Dr. asks whether she will save her soul (in so many words) by leaving her abuser or will she follow the unfortunate pattern of so many other abused individuals and remain in peril. The answer is obvious to me; listen to the BLT and drop that SOB. Mrs. Pain is similar in that she lets the suffering consume and own her rather than seek a way to free herself from the Hell she dwells in.
Once again another shameless but relevant plug for NoiseCollector; the song “Dig” describes an individual in the midst of severe drug use (pills). The person in “Dig” is trying to escape the pain of being used and abused through drugs and money. http://www.archive.org/details/DIGFeaturingDeadman The song “Cringe From Yourself” is somewhat autobiographical and is about parental abuse and the emotional chaos that is caused by turning the negative feeling about the abuser inward and becoming the abuser of one’s self (Don’t beat yourself up about it!) http://www.archive.org/details/Cringing_From_You
I also wrote some novelty lyrics for the film; I call this little ditty
"Squeals Like Ned Beatty"
Four men in two canoes
Came to tame a river
But the river won’t lose
No city slicker’s gonna lick this river
Gonna make Ned Beatty squeal like a critter
Burt got hurt by delusions of grandeur
Narcissistically leading them all into danger
But willing to follow their fearless leader
The other three seemed to be much weaker
The banjo boy showed signs of genius
Yet his face reflected his parent’s incest
He picked a duel as he dripped the drool
And did the things that he does best
Angelina’s dad had the ‘nads man
To climb up high and whack the badman
A little bit shaky but he got the job done
Dropped that dude with a double barrel shotgun
While Burt was hurt the meek made war
One man died, another was a boar
In the end Ned was a little soar
And the sheriff said dontcha come back no more
Don’t go down south
If ya gotta pretty mouth
Lessin ya feels like an inbred baby
Get down and pray cuz that aint gay
Now squeals like old Ned Beatty
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First time seeing this movie,it was interesting making an evaluation. In regards to personality traits like Alfred Adler suggest that we create a personality and a style of life from our genetic make up and our social environment. An example would be a male that has been physically and or sexually abused most likely will do the same.Who would be a target or victim for an aggressor? An individual that Karen Horney describes as one who has the neurotic need for affection and approval. The aggressor on the other hand could have the neurotic need for power another of Karen Horney's, "Neurotic Personalities". I believe that men and women process the experience of being victimized differently because of society's expectations of each gender. Men are known to be aggressive, strong, courageous,emotionally suppressed. Women are known to be less aggressive ,emotional, weaker than men.Both men and women can be aggressive but because of the fact that most men are bigger,stronger and testosterone driven, he would most likely be more violent as an aggressor. The victims in the movie experienced many things like adventure,humiliation,culture,ignorance, moral dilemma, pain and trauma.In the sons we can hear the message but not an observation of victims and aggressors behavior and physical expressions. The unobservable message could be understood through the wording used and emotions. Hypothesis an individual with the personality with neurotic need for power, will dominate disrespect others be destructive,have adoration of strength and contempt for weakness dread helplessness(Karen Horney).At of all the characters in the movie Deliverance Drew is the only one to find deliverance because he died ant he other victims remained with psychological trauma and burden.
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The men in "Deliverance" became victims because they were city boys trying act big and bad, and they were not equipped to handle mountain people. They thought they were, but the fact that they did made it more obvious that they would be easy targets to someone who would see through it. It think that they listened to Burt Reynold's character and putting too much faith in his fantasies.
I think that the mountain men felt like the area was their "turf" and that the four men were invading it, which gave them the right to do anything they wanted to do to them. I think that the mountain men were used to just taking what they wanted, and grew up in a world where their behavior was tolerated or even encouraged.
I think that when men are victimized, they are more likely to act out in a violent way because aggressiveness is encouraged in males in our society. Women are encouraged more to go through the legal process because they are encouraged to be more passive.
A scientific description would have to include homophobia, because the men may have acted differently if a different crime had been committed (like robbery or simple assault). Burt Reynold's character may have been less likely to shoot to kill in a case like that, and the men may have been less inclined to want to cover up the crime. My hypothesis is that the situation got to the level that it did because of the nature of the crime that was committed, because of the introduction of shame and homophobia. They even got to the place where they were willing to also hide their friend's body, someone whose family they knew. There is way more going on there than just hiding some evidence.
It didn't seem to me that any of the characters achieved deliverance. Like the "Mrs. Jones" song, Jon Voight's character was now alone in his relationship because only he knew his terrible secret. Ned Beatty's character seemed like he was okay, but that didn't mean he would be okay later. Burt Reynold's character had been revealed as being pretty weak after being injured, but he had persuaded his gentle friend to take his violent revenge for him, so maybe he felt like he had finally had the big adventure he always seemed to be looking for.
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Comparing the experiences of the two females in the songs to the movie was a little difficult to do as they are different types of arts and one would have to compare separately vs as one. Anyway the songs of the females seem to suffer with deep pain that they do not want or seem to deal with. The the men being assaulted in the movie clearly depict the macho and strong male type that is expected of men when they deal with being victimized. They will choose not talking to anyone about being raped or being overpowered by other men. They went through lots of stressful and unpredictable life changing events that they will not disclose to other human beings other than with the Burt character. Mrs. Jones copes with her past trauma by dealing with depression and getting stoned, but it seems that she might have the courage to fight for her peace and happiness. The women in the songs might be able to overcome some of their pain due to being able to open up and disclose their traumatic events to professional mental health experts.
Some personality traits that could increase the chances of being victimized by others would be if a person is too naive, introverted, quiet, shy and a follower. Traits to look out for in an aggressor are if a person has a mischievious personality, trouble maker, antisocial personality traits, is cold or unresponsive to others feelings or needs.
Yes, men and women do process being victimized differently. Men do not want to talk about traumatic or humiliating experiences which they have been a victim of and while women also tend to keep their pain inside this sometimes affects them immensely psychologically which in turn can cause them to deal with PTSD, depression and learn to cope with these issues by dealing with alcohol or drugs and also turn to unhealthy relationships.
I feel that men and women are somewhat equally violent, men abuse their victims with more physical force and women tend to also abuse their victims psychologically. Men get more publicity or the details of their attacks are much more publicized.
One hypothesis would be that although one can be smart and industrialized we are not prepared to deal with the raw nature. With raw nature one has to actually live it, and when an industrialized/civilized individual deals with raw nature they are pushed to the limit but one can not overcome nature, it is almost impossible. The person who finds deliverance is Burt's character because he goes through the movie with a certain way of thinking and continues to feel that it was the correct thing to do, he seems almost unaffected by the events that transpired on that river trip.
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One of the simalarities between the movie "Deliverence" and the song "Mrs Jones" is that both include individuals that were victimized. With Mrs Jones, she is described as a woman that is suffering something tragic, some sort of abuse that has left her feeling helpless and alone. In the movie two of the men are assaulted, including one of them being sexually assaulted. It would seem likely that these men would not mention the attack, which allows it to maintain unresolved, for example with the night terrors exhibited by one of the men (PTSD). However, the same seems to be true for Mrs Jones who simply "Gets stoned" to numb the pain, which also allows her to dismiss what is occurring and further repress it. I do believe some personality traits may be associated with an increased likelihood of being victimized. Some of these traits include being introverted, non-confrontational, and co-dependent. As for an agressor, I would think traits such as being manipulative, and deceitful, and someone with an antisocial personality disorder as well.
And I do believe that the phenomena of victimization can be scientifically studied with an assessment of personality traits.
Is there a difference in the way men and women process being victimized? Yes, I believe so. Men are less likely to speak about the incident in which their "manhood" was tested or taken in order to avoid having to feel vulnerable. Women are more likely to speak about it and seek help. Mainly because women and men are socially conditioned to deal with emotion in different ways since childhood. Men have always been socially viewed as strong and fearless, and are taught at a young age thet "boys don't cry," wheras girls are viewed as much more emotional. However there are no differences in a way that a woman and a man can react in agression. Women are just as capable of becoming physically abusive and violent as men are given the right situation.
Scientifically, observations could be made, documented and measured, but the dramatic portrayal was able to allow the viewer to visually experience the actions taking place. It was able to depict characteristics in a way that no written material could.
Out of all the victims exhibited in the movie and both songs, I believe none of them truly found deliverance. They are each having to suffer in their own way. The victim in the movie suffers from nightmares about the event which would hint towards PTSD. Mrs Jones continues to stay in the situation she is in and does not seek help. That in turn leaves her with unresolved emotions and self esteem issues which are now being numbed by drug use. As for Mrs Pain, she lives in her misery daily without changing it.
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Wow how do i start talking about the movie Deliverance. I've never seen nor heard of the movie but boy was it interestiing and a trip to watch. Well lets start of by comparing the victimization experiences of t he two men in the movie Deliverance and the woman in the original Dr. DL Tunes. Its obvious both men and the lady were victimized, put through so much torture and found ways to overcome being the singled out victims. No matter what the circumstances were for either victim here they were both suffering severe torture that influenced their lives negatively. Personality traits that are likely to increase the likelihood that a particular individual will become a victim or the target of an agressor would be an individual who is timid, has low self esteem, may have a fear of being surrounded by others or is just shy in general. Its easy to pick out an individual who will find it hard to stand up for themselves when they walk with their head down, they rarely make eye contact with anyone or they just have no pride and confidence within themsleves. Lets take for instance a child who lives in a home where their parents are constantly yelling at them and hitting them every time they do something wrong, the child will soon fear making a mistake, getting yelled at by anyone. They learn that they must avoid confrontations, and that its wrong to make mistakes in life. They develop fear, hate, and low self esteem which later down the road affects them and how they communicate with others aruond them. Taking for instance personality traits that increase the likelihood that a particular individual will perpetrate an act or acts of aggression upon a victim. What comes to mind when thinking about an agressor is a person who was tortured themselves or even victimized themselves and feels the need to victimize, or even torture others to deal with their suffereings. These aggressors normally are filled with mixed emotions such as hatred, sadness, failure in life, suffering, and horrible experiences to look back on in life. It's obvious that an individual who has these sort of personality traits has been a victim or has struggled their way through life facing negative expereinces to get them in the "agressor" mode they are in. There are differences between the way woman, and the way men experience and typically process teh experience of having been victimized. Growing up a woman learns that she has the "ok" to cry and take out her frustrations any way possible. She has shoulders to lean on, she has more people to look at her and feel sorry for her and even believe her story compared to a mans story. A woman expresses herself completely differently than a man does. A woman can sit and talk about her feelings to anyone with no problem and not worry about what others may think of her or what has happened in her life. To a woman its about talking thigns trough and getting help from others to deal with life. On the other hand a man grown up learns from the....
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I found this movie quite disturbing. Burt Reynolds character was a thrill seeker who in the end was hurt. This probably won't keep him from seeking out dangerous adventures again. some types of personailties are in constant seek of danger as his character was. He was narcissistic who enjoyed all the danger he was seeking. After being sexually assualted Ned Beaty's character pretended as if nothing had happened. This is quite typical of people suffering from sexual abuse. I found the end of the movie quite disturbing when they showed the coffins. Were we to expect that they found all the dead bodies along the river??
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These were difficult questions for me to answer, mostly because there are so many various forms of victimization. The reactions to sexual abuse and physical abuse can vary greatly. Personally, I can only identify with being nearly kidnapped as a child. I feel I was chosen by the man who tried to abduct me because I was standing alone at a bus stop and I was very small for a 10 year old. In the days, months, and years that past I dealt with it mostly through dreams. At least that is what I remember most. As I look at my personality now I can only speculate that some traits stem from that experience. I became kind of angry at people in general for no real reason. Situations that are hurtful to me I respond first in anger. I don’t recall responding that way prior to this incident. When I began taking karate in my early 20’s I gained a sense of control and confidence I had previously lacked. Because of that I believe that the way a person carries themselves can play a role in whether or not they are selected as a victim. I know that isn’t 100%, but I believe it is a contributing factor. I also believe someone who has been a victim of some kind may possess more likelihood of becoming an aggressor. It is hard for me to say whether or not men and women experience being the victim differently. It is common for victims of sexual abuse to become very sexually active or not sexually active at all as teenagers and adults, this is seen in both men and women. Both men and women may over compensate in their life in the areas in which they were victimized. Others still, could become the aggressor. I do believe an area of vast differences between men and women is the ways in which they act out as the aggressor. Men tend to be more passionate and violent about the crimes they commit. Their crimes can be dirty and horrific; whereas women tend to commit crimes which have more planning and less violence about them. I do believe that movie/musical portrayals of victimization have benefits. The benefits could be of creating awareness but more importantly of healing for the victim. Using art as a medium for healing has enormous benefits in helping victims recover and can become a source of strength.
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Sorry Dr. BLT I missed the movie I was volunteering my week at R.F.K.C for abused and neglected kids of the A.V. So maybe I can rent and watch the movie and get back to you or you can give me a different assignment. Thanks, your the best teacher ever. God Bless!
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I think there are numerous personality traits that those who are aggressors and those who are victims have. I believe that aggressors are normally rough, show no mercy, have a "don't care" attitude, and are rather relentless. Those who are victims are weak, pushovers, and probably don't fight for what they want. I think that men and women will act differently. As a general statement, women are a weaker sex. Women are more irrational, emotional, and weak. Men are rational, able to leave emotions out of situations, and strong. Now being a general statement, not all men and women fit these stereotypes. However, with that being said, I think women being aggressors would not be as frequent as males. I know that women do abuse people, however it is more frequent in males. As victims, I think women will take things for what they are. If a woman is being victimized, she would probably not fight back as much as a male would. Men probably incur less incidences, however more than likely handle themselves fairly well while being victimized.
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Deliverance…
It often appears that the weak and vulnerable are more susceptible to being taken advantage of. Life does seem to revolve around the theme “survival of the fittest”. The scene in the movie “Deliverance” where the guy gets raped in the woods can be interrupted as, addressing issues from the past, which are often what affects individuals in the present. Individuals rather male or female if oppressed long enough will demonstrate behavior, which results in the baser forms of nature to erupt. Who truly gets delivered in the end is subject to one’s own belief system. If one is of the mindset that death equates to peace, then that would indicate deliverance. However if your mindset is that as a tree falls that is the way it shall lie. And after that the judgment… then perhaps those that remain still retain the ability to find redemption and freedom…..
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